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MINUTES OF WORK SESSION
DESCHUTES COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2008
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Present were Commissioners Dennis R. Luke, Michael M. Daly and Tammy Baney.
Also present were Dave Kanner, County Administrator; Erik Kropp, Deputy
County Administrator; Anthony Raguine, Tom Anderson, Dennis Perkins, Kevin
Harrison, Paul Blikstad and Cynthia Smidt, Community Development; Laurie
Craghead, Legal Counsel; and four other citizens.
Chair Luke opened the meeting at 1:30 p.m.
1. Discussion of Feasibility of “Youthbuild” Grant, Boys & Girls Club.
This item was canceled at the request of the Boys & Girls Club representative.
2. Work Session regarding the Vander Zanden Appeal.
Cynthia Smidt gave a brief overview of the item, which relates to a type 3 home
occupation request that was approved by the Hearings Officer; five of the
sixteen conditions are being appealed. The 20-acre property has a split zone.
Commissioner Luke said that he was under the impression that the Hearings
Officer was restricting what was allowed in Code. Laurie Craghead stated that
it is a matter of interpretation of the Code.
The five conditions are outlined in a staff report. Most relate to noise control or
potential disturbance of the neighbors. Commissioner Daly asked how it was
determined that there was a noise problem. Ms. Schmidt said information of
studies on similar operations was reviewed.
Commissioner Baney asked if there is precedence on the hours of operation.
She was advised it was a matter of interpretation.
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The applicant asked for two additional employees but would like to have up to
five employees; Code allows up to five. The application did not address the
impact of having more than two employees.
Regarding so many trips per day, Commissioner Daly asked what the time
period would be. Ms. Schmidt said this is an interpretation also. All of the
traffic could occur during a short period of time
Noise and sound pressure levels caused the number of daily trips to be up to
fifty. Commissioner Luke said that he would like some input from staff on how
this can be easily modified. Some rights are being taken away based on a piece
of evidence on something that you can’t take to court.
Commissioner Daly asked if there is testimony against this use by the neighbor,
who all received copies of this decision. The closest neighbor is about 400 feet
away. Ms. Smidt said there could be some.
There can be up to twenty trips, per Code, with five employees. The Hearings
Officer only allowed two. Ms. Schmidt will provide an oversized aerial photo
to review.
The landscaping requirement would like it reworded. Discussion continued on
the Hearings Officer’s requirements, and the Commissioners reviewed some
photographs of the property.
This will be addressed at a future business meeting.
3. Discussion of File #TA-08-03, a Text Amendment to Allow Event Venues as
a Conditional Use in MUA Zones.
Anthony Raguine said some specific questions were asked at the previous
hearing.
Commissioner Luke asked about handicap accessibility. Other issues were
egress, restrooms and parking. Commissioner Luke asked about home sprinkler
systems that run off wells. Dennis Perkins stated that there is usually a backup
system of some kind to keep things operating for a short period of time. It may
be required in the future. It is the fire department’s call as to how that could be
handled. The sprinkler requirement could be triggered by occupancy of more
than fifty people, but would be based on an assessment of the type of building
and its use.
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Ms. Craghead stated that any complaints regarding ADA issues would be the
operator’s problem, and the County would not be affected. All of the potential
operators were notified that they have until January 1, 2009 to cease operations
until a decision is made on the issue.
Commissioner Daly asked if the text amendment could be written with
conditions. Ms. Craghead said it could be narrowed down to specific criteria,
such as the size of the parcel, inside versus outside music, the size of the
building, setbacks, parking and so on.
In regard to parking, Mr. Anderson stated that a slip-resistant path would be
required from ADA parking and to restroom stalls. Dust needs to be controlled
per Code. Mr. Anderson stated that the gallons of flow per day, 2,500 a day,
could be approved by the County. Up to 300 people may add 1,500 gallons.
What might trigger the need for the larger tank is more than one event a day.
Typically, a separate system might be required for the building in question.
This changes if there is commercial food preparation occurring on site.
Commissioner Baney asked if a spreadsheet could be produced that shows the
various options and requirements. Mr. Raguine replied that this depends on
whether there would be different classes of events.
Commissioner Luke asked if this is opening the door for other commercial
activities in residential areas. Commissioner Daly feels that there are areas in
the MUA-10 zone where this type of activity could be acceptable, instead of
disallowing all of them. Mr. Raguine stated that his memo shows how this
could work, depending on the level the Board prefers.
Commissioner Luke said that people go home to relax. Zoning is in place so
that people will know what they can do, and also what might be allowed next
door. It is unfair to these residents to have to live next to large weddings and
other events. Commissioner Daly pointed out that there is a long list of
conditional uses for that type of property.
Commissioner Baney pointed out that MUA-10 is a misnomer; most MUA is
not ten acres. Many are four or less acres. If it is broken down to 0-5 acres, 5-
10 acres, 10-20 acres or larger. Commissioner Luke asked why it is important
to allow an activity that was not allowed previously. Commissioner Baney said
that in some circumstances, with limitations and mitigations, perhaps this could
work on larger parcels. She asked if EFU land would be faced with the same
issues. She believes that there are parcels that might work for this.
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Commissioner Daly said that this type of thing has been discussed for home
occupations. Mr. Raguine said that a type 3 home occupation has fewer
impacts of people and trips. Commissioner Baney stated that a wedding once a
week might equate to the total for the home occupation use for a week.
Mr. Raguine asked how mitigation can be done and enforced, how many
locations in an area can do this kind of activity, and so on.
Ms. Craghead stated that other uses in MUA-10 are not as intensive as a
wedding event. She asked if the Board had reviewed the Code sections she
provided to them.
Commissioner Baney asked if there could be an impact area set up, perhaps one
each 5 miles. Mr. Raguine stated that rather than approving a more intensive
use, instead Commissioner Daly feels that they are wasting a lot of time
talking about these individual situations now.
Commissioner Luke said he cannot support this type of activity in a residential
area. He ahs had neighbors who disturbed his enjoyment of his home in the
past. He feels residents have a right to enjoy their property in a normal fashion.
Ms. Craghead asked if the other two Commissioners want to look at limitations,
such as the size of the property, the type and use of the buildings, as so on.
Commissioner Baney does not like the frequency of the events or a small parcel
size. Commissioner Daly stated that there are probably properties where this
would be acceptable. He does not want this particular situation approved as is.
Commissioner Baney says there is a difference in building cabinets on property
every working day, or allowing events that occur on weekends.
Commissioner Luke said that putting in all of the improvements is expensive
and an occasional event will not pay for it. It is not cost effective unless you
have a lot of events.
Mr. Kanner said that if the Board wants a modified text amendment drafted,
some parameters need to be set.
Commissioner Daly likes the economic impact and the option given to people
to have their event in a nice outside location. He would like to find a way to
have this work. Commissioner Luke suggested that staff could produce a map
showing the larger MUA-10 parcels. It could be that there aren’t many or that
most of them are not viable.
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Mr. Anderson said that there is only one other MUA-10 operator out there now
and clearly does not meet the criteria. To his knowledge, there are no others
currently in operation that fit the criteria.
After a lengthy discussion, it was determined that perhaps this issue needs to be
brought before the Board as a yes or no vote as it has been presented, since it
will be difficult to establish parameters on this particular situation on which all
three Commissioners will agree. This will probably be placed on the November
24 business meeting agenda for a decision.
4. Other Items.
Ms. Craghead asked the Board to sign a letter to a surety company regarding
Arrowood bonding. The bonds will go from performance bonds to maintenance
bonds.
BANEY: Move approval.
DALY: Second.
VOTE: BANEY: Yes.
DALY: Yes.
LUKE: Chair votes yes.
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Commissioner Baney brought up the issue of the City of Bend indemnifying the
County on their UGB amendment. Ms. Craghead said that the County does not
have the responsibility to defend, although it can offer to do so. Mr. Kanner
stated that this issue began with a meeting he had with Tom Anderson, Mark
Pilliod and a representative of the City some time ago. At the time, the City
was insisting on adopting indefensible findings. Mr. Kanner joked that the
County would adopt them if the City would defend it. However, this resulted in
the City presenting a draft document.
The City Council has decided that an agreement is not even needed. Mr.
Kanner stated that when there is an appeal, an executive session will be
required and the City may have to be asked to pay any legal fees or the County
will not defend it. The County can state that there are adequate findings and
leave it up to LCDC.
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Commissioner Luke said that there are too many Councilors who will not listen
to the recommendations of the County. If it ends up at LCDC, it may be
remanded back to the City for them to work out the problems. Ms. Craghead
stated she does not want to sign the document as an attorney if she does not
support it. The Board can sign it as a matter of policy.
Mr. Anderson said there are people who want to be included in the proposed
UGB annexation and aren’t, and those who are included who don’t want to be.
Secondly, there are issues that ODOT and LCDC feel are problems, such as the
size of the proposed UGB. That needs to get to DLCD so they can make their
own specific findings and point out to the City where the problems are. The
City would then be required to refine it in that regard. The third issue is a series
of questions regarding intense uses on the fringe of the proposed boundaries.
There has not been an opportunity for the Board to review these latest
proposals. Most of these would create a huge traffic impact on County roads.
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Mr. Kanner said that the Humane Society of Redmond had $14,000 in the bank
a week ago but has no money at this time due to payroll. They asked for
another $15,000 to get them through the end of the month. Their expenses are
around $30,000 per month. Mr. Kanner feels that if an agreement cannot be
worked out with the banks, the current board there is ready to throw in the
towel. They don’t want to put a lot of time into executing a fundraising plan if
there is little chance of success. Their business model depends on the situation
with the banks.
If the County can keep them running for up to a year, they will get to the point
of self-sufficiency. He meets with the banks tomorrow and hopes to know at
that time if they will strike a deal. If it appears that a deal will work, he would
like know if the Board would allow funding for another month. It is likely that
the membership meeting that is coming will result in the current board being
ousted. Commissioner Baney said they need to work this out themselves.
Commissioner Luke said the question is whether to give them operating funds
for another month. He feels that they need to keep things operating even if
some kind of conversion needs to happen.
Mr. Kanner stated that the only thing the County is required to do is provide
intake services. They don’t have to do anything else. Commissioner Baney
stated she would like the membership and board to work out their differences,
with a new board in place in January. It was agreed that they cannot be allowed
to shut down.